After strong poll numbers in Örebro, Markus Allard now hopes to take the step into national politics. In a lengthy interview with Samnytt, he describes why he believes voters are turning to the Örebro Party, why he claims Sweden is run by a growing “transferiat,” and why he wants to see both a migration audit and an active demographic policy to change the country’s future.

The background to the interview is the polls that have recently given the Örebro Party significant support in his home municipality. Allard does not want to make too much of these figures but notes that the municipal polls published so far show support at 18.4 percent.

According to him, the party’s success is due both to voters appreciating its policies and growing dissatisfaction with the established alternatives.

– What we can see in the polls is that we’re mainly drawing voters from the Sweden Democrats, the Social Democrats, and the Moderates, he says.

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Allard argues that a significant share of the party’s voters come from the Sweden Democrats, but that the situation is more complex. Many who now vote for SD previously voted for other parties, he reasons, so he does not see the Örebro Party’s growth as a purely internal shift within the right wing.

He also believes that the strategy of their opponents has contributed to their success.

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How would you act if you entered parliament?

– Yes, as I usually act, I think. I will continue to be myself.

According to Allard, the established parties have, for a long time, treated the Örebro Party as one that should not be taken as seriously as the other players.

He compares the situation to how the Sweden Democrats were treated in their early years and argues that this strategy, in the long run, strengthens the challenger rather than weakens it.

The Theory of the Transferiat

A large part of the conversation centers around the concept that Allard often returns to – the transferiat.

He describes it as people and enterprises living off public transfers without creating any real productive value.

At the same time, he emphasizes that the concept does not include, for example, teachers, nurses, or police officers, who, according to him, carry out vital societal tasks even though they are publicly funded. Instead, he divides the transferiat into two layers.

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The first layer, according to him, consists of various administrative and ideological functions within the public sector – innovation directors, communications directors, communicators, diversity strategists, and other positions he calls make-work jobs that he believes are growing at the expense of core services such as healthcare and education.

The second and lower layer, according to Allard, consists of people permanently outside the labor market and living off benefits, whom he calls welfare migrants.

Instead you have the kaftan witch Berit who is supposed to rehabilitate everyone ad absurdum. This group benefits from not solving the problems. That’s what I call the transferiat’s logic.

Markus Allard, Örebro Party

He points particularly to groups lacking the skills or knowledge demanded by the labor market and thus will never become part of the productive economy. According to Allard, these two groups are mutually dependent on each other.

– These two transferiats are necessary for each other, he says.

He believes that much of today’s political debate, authority exercise, and public activity must be understood from this perspective.

Allard also argues that immigration has long been used to push down wages through cheap labor. At the same time, he claims that many of today’s immigrants cannot even be used for wage dumping, as they lack the skills the labor market requires.

As a recurring example, Allard cites a Somali mother of five who is illiterate. He argues that there are no jobs in the modern Swedish economy for people without a basic education and that this illustrates how certain immigrant groups have become permanently excluded from the labor market.

Can you elaborate on your reasoning?

– It gives you an alibi to create lots of new make-work jobs. But also look at crime and how the Police Authority has been perverted and twisted into something it shouldn’t be. Instead of being a monopoly on violence that targets and removes problems from society. He continues:

– Instead you have the kaftan witch Berit who is supposed to rehabilitate everyone ad absurdum. This group benefits from not solving the problems. That’s what I call the transferiat’s logic.

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Allard further argues that there is an entire transferiat living off selling what he calls a doomsday narrative about climate change. He claims these groups are uninterested in constructive solutions and more concerned with how they themselves can continue to live off the narrative.

The Örebro Party leader further elaborates on the transferiat issue in a longer interview with Swebbtv, which can be seen here.

Criticism of Academia and Criminal Policy

Allard also directs strong criticism at Swedish universities and social science education. He describes academia as an institution increasingly defending prevailing ideas rather than challenging them.

He is particularly critical of the fact that, according to him, questions about cultural differences between immigrant groups are rarely examined openly.

– Swedish academia is to a large extent about defending the status quo, he says.

Allard is also sharply critical of much of the humanities and social science education at Swedish universities. He argues that these programs increasingly produce theorists who focus on interpreting and explaining society rather than understanding and solving real problems.

After his own studies in political science, he says he was struck by how far the academic world is from practical politics and the issues people face in everyday life.

He also claims that academia has become part of what he calls an ideological priesthood. According to Allard, universities and researchers avoid investigating sensitive questions about migration, culture, and integration, despite these being obvious topics for study in his opinion.

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Instead, he argues, academia largely defends prevailing ideas and acts as a brake on public debate rather than as a critical force.

Wants to See Migration Audit

When the conversation turns to migration, Markus Allard develops several ideas he says will feature in the Örebro Party’s upcoming migration program.

One of these is a comprehensive migration audit.

You have suggested that even second-generation immigrants born in Sweden should be subject to deportation. Tell us more about that?

– Maybe here I am influenced by my upbringing in socialism, which differs a bit from bourgeois thinking, which often ends up quite rigid. He continues:

– I’m more interested in getting things done; we’ll take care of the rules after. What result do we want to achieve? Then I want to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Allard argues that there are groups who have grown up in parallel societies in Sweden without becoming part of Swedish society.

According to him, some of these environments have developed norms where crime and antisocial behaviors are accepted or normalized in ways that differ from the rest of society.

– They are by definition not Swedes, he says.

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He therefore argues that seriously criminal individuals from such environments should not automatically be regarded as an obvious part of the Swedish community simply because they were born in Sweden.

The idea is that the state should systematically review previously granted residence permits and citizenships to check whether the decisions were made on correct grounds and whether the requirements are still being met.

– The Swedish Tax Agency does audits. We should do the same here, he says.

Markus Allard also stresses that he does not see law-abiding immigrants as any sort of problem. On the contrary, he argues that the debate too often focuses on people who are already functioning well in society, while politicians fail to manage the groups responsible for crime or long-term dependence on benefits.

According to him, focus should be on those who create problems for Sweden, not on people who work, follow the law, and are a functioning part of society.

We need a conscious demographic policy. // We need to unleash the incredible productive potential that exists in this country.

Markus Allard, Örebro Party

Allard makes a clear distinction between seriously criminal immigrants and Swedes who commit crimes. He argues that a Swedish criminal is still bound to Sweden by language, culture, history, and identity and therefore cannot be sent elsewhere.

However, he considers that people with foreign backgrounds who have grown up in parallel societies and developed norms contrary to Swedish society do not have the same roots, especially if they are engaged in serious crime.

– Swedishness is more than a formality. I am not interested in having these here; they do not belong here. That should be a consensus in Swedish politics to get them out. It is obvious for the average person throughout Sweden.

Calls for a Demographic Policy

Toward the end of the interview, Allard raises what he describes as perhaps the most important issue for the future – demographics. He argues that Swedish politics has long lacked an overarching goal for how the population’s composition should develop and that this must change.

According to Allard, Sweden needs to both reduce the groups that are outside work and community life and at the same time strengthen the productive part of the population.

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He therefore advocates for a sharply reduced inflow of immigrants, return migration for criminals and long-term welfare-dependent people, and for reforms that make it easier for productive Swedes to start families and have more children.

Allard is also highly critical of the Tidö government, arguing that the change many voters hoped for after the 2022 election has not materialized. He questions why the government has not pursued a policy that stands out more from the Social Democrats’ and claims it has been too cautious on migration issues.

According to Allard, the government could have acted far more quickly and forcefully to reduce immigration, limit the granting of citizenship, and begin a major return migration policy.

– We need a conscious demographic policy, he says.

Despite his harsh criticism of society, Allard does not see the current development as hopeless. On the contrary, he believes Sweden still has enormous productive potential—but that it is held back by political mismanagement.

If the country can reduce what he calls the transferiat’s influence, clean up migration policy, and restore social cohesion, he believes the trend can be reversed.

– We need to unleash the incredible productive potential that exists in this country, he says.

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